Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Camp Carroll, Waegwan

My first visit to Camp Carroll, Waegwan:

I headed back to Waegwan. Since my first visit there I have learned that Waegwan got it name from the fact that there used to be a Japanese settlement there. Wae means Japan. It is a small community located in the province of North Gyeongsang about 1 hour North of Daegu [Taegu], South Korea. It seems to be mainly an agricultural community with a large American Military Base there. The base is called CP Carroll [short for Camp Carroll] and is located in Area IV. Camp Carroll is called "The Crown Jewel of Area IV" and is a growing base. It has a new in-door swimming pool, an out-door pool with water slide, a large gym, racketball courts, and even minature golf. It has grown a lot since I was first there in the Spring and Summer of 2003 and now most soldiers [including NCO's - Non-Commissioned Officers] are housed on the base.

Most of the soldiers I have met from Camp Carroll are either in the fields of Signal or Communications. The base, also, has an MP [Military Police] unit attached to it. According to Globalsecurity.org Camp Carroll has a population of around 2,700 people.

If you've been reading my blog you will know that I met a soldier at Psycho Bar in Gumi and we became friends and previously I took the train to Waegwan to visit him. At that point I wasn't comfortable going onto the base - especially as I grew up in Eastern Canada with a Navy presence but no Army to speak of. This time I decided to let my friend sign me onto the base and get to look around at his "home in Korea".


Train Tracks to Waegwan from Gumi

Once again I took to train to Waegwan from Gumi. It's only about a 10 to 15 minute ride heading south toward Daegu. I love the train it is pretty affordable and it is never affected by traffic jams.


For more information of Waegwan and it's history check out Waegwan Wikipedia.

I was not sure what I could take pictures of on the base so I didn't take any. [Did I mention all this military stuff was new to me and more than a little intimidating?] I kept hearing about "OPSEC" and the need for information "security" especially with the climate of fear of terrorism in the world post 9/11. I wasn't even sure what OPSEC was and not wanting to look stupid I googled it. There is even a website on OPSEC. The definition of OPSEC is this: "Operations Security (OPSEC) is an analytic process used to deny an adversary information - generally unclassified - concerning our intentions and capabilities by identifying, controlling, and protecting indicators associated with our planning processes or operations. OPSEC does not replace other security disciplines - it supplements them."

Although, I am a North American and a native English speaker [and in some ways I felt very at home on the base] I could never really forget the fact that not only am I a civilian but I am a "Foreign National". My point in telling you all this boils down to the fact that I didn't take pictures on the base.

Not to deprive you of photos I found some great photos of Camp Carroll at the following website Photos of Camp Carroll and since they were taken by a soldier I am sure they meet the need for security, etc.

A soldier who served in the 304 Signal Battalion at Camp Carroll has a website that has interesting facts and other links on Camp Carroll. Here's the link to his website Waegwan & Camp Carroll Pictures & Web Sites.

I found yet other website with photos of Camp Carroll. Here's the link Eric's Space - Korea Photos. This takes a while to load but it has all the photos I wished I dared take including the pool and minature golf course.

Globalsecurity.org has a good summary of Camp Carroll and its area and purpose. The link to it is Camp Carroll/Taegu Storage Area.

I wasn't afraid to take pictures of the area surrounding the base. It was on Korean soil which has become my home so I snapped away figuring anything I saw was "fair game". Here are some of my pictures:

CP Carroll Water Tower


The first thing I noticed when I approached Camp Carroll was the water tower. It seems to loom over the landscape and is a good landmark if you get lost and need to find your way back to the base.

Close Up Photo of CP Carroll Water Tower

This is a close-up of the same water tower seen in the picture above.

Riot Police outside Gate at CP Carroll

There are always KNP [Korean National Police] with these riot shields at the gates to Camp Carroll and all the other American Military Bases in Korea. It takes a little bit of getting used to and it doesn't mean that there is any problem it just seems to be a normal precaution.

Military Licence Plate on Car

All cars that are owned by American Military Personnel in Korea have different licence plates. The first digit [in this case the number 5] is specific to SOFA [Status of Forces Agreement] cars in Korea. The 5 means Daegu [the area of the country the car is registered in]. In Korea, licence plates designate the area [this has changed on the new licence plates perhaps in recognition of the increasingly mobile society. If you move to another city and have to change your licence plate it's a huge inconvenience]. But at this point [2003] Korean cars had the name of the city written in Hangul on the licence plate (this car says Daegu ,대 구, in Hangul). [ I assume that Koreans figure English speakers can't read Hangul so need another way to recognize the area the car is registered in.]

What this means is that you can immediately recognize a car driven by a member of the American Military by the extra digit prior to the dash in the licence plate. That doesn't seem like such a good idea in turns of security - at least not to me. I know I am always a little nervous driving in a SOFA car - I just feel like it stands out and therefore could be a potential target... but maybe I am just being paranoid.

High Rise Apartment Building and Old House

The majority of Camp Carroll's NCO's [Non-Commissioned Officers] used to live in the huge apartment building in the background of this picture. It's called the "Hanbit" but they pronounce it "Hanbee". This has changed with the expansion of the Camp Carroll base the increase of housing on-post. Now almost all personnel are forced to live on post.

I like this picture cause it shows the contrast between an old traditional house with its garden and the new, modern apartment buildings that seem to be sprouting up everywhere.

***

I had an amazing day visiting Camp Carroll. I ate pizza and drank soda [pop for all you Canadians] and even had my friend buy me a couple of English magazines to read. [I will have to buy a couple rounds of draft at Psycho Bar to pay him back.] I didn't have any American money and I had not even thought about the fact that they would use American money on the base. Since I am paid in Korean Won and everything I buy is in Korean Won I assumed that everyone uses Won at least in Korea. What I forgot to realize it that an American Military Base really is just a little piece of America only located on foreign soil. It takes a while to get used to but if I closed my eyes and ignored the walls and gates I could imagine I was back in North America with everyone speaking English and talking about movies and TV shows, etc.

I'm not sure I'd want to live on a base with the walls, and the curfew, and all the restrictions, etc. but it sure was nice to visit.

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

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Charles Powell said...

Just found this site. I was stationed at Camp Carroll back in 1981 thru 82. My first words when viewing the photos. MY GOD!!!

Man has that place changed. No highrise apartments. The tallest building were the 3 story barracks on camp. I notice the med center build. When I was there the area where it was built was outside the fence. The pic of hill 308. Man that was a place we would hike to a couple times a month. You had to be careful though. There were still live rounds from the 50's laying around. Is the large warning sign still atop "Happy Mountain"?

I have thought about Camp Carroll a million times since I left there. I was a lot younger in 82. I couldn't see the forest for the trees back then. I have thought about returning to South Korea several times. I just didn't think it would be today. Thanks for your website. The pictures bring back a lot of good memories.

Charles Powell
Greenville, SC

Anonymous said...

I was stationed at Cp. Carroll in 1994 as a medic. I only wished I met a "Queen" like you. See you at the Queen Bee.

-b.

David Warmbrod said...

Was stationed at Camp Carroll "Depot" for 18 months from 66-68 as an MP with the MP Detch of HQ Co. Was only 19 when I arrived fresh out of Ft Gordon MP School. Looking for anyone serving there at that time to make new contact since 68. Email davidewarmbrod@aol.com

H.P.Brolly said...

Very interesting, I was at Camp Carroll in 64/65.I will be going to Korea this spring and would like to revisit the base.There probably isn't much left that I would recognize though

Queen For A Year said...

I now live in Busan but visit Camp Carroll periodically. Everytime I go back I am amazed that the town of Waegwan hasn't changed a bit but the base just keeps changing and getting bigger and bigger.

I expect you will find big changes.

Anonymous said...

Camp Caroll was a brillant spot back in 1992. I will be going back to Korea in 2008, and I want to visit there. I'm sure much has changed, but I know the Korean people and the area...I will not be "let down." Thank you Ann.

Queen For A Year said...

You are very welcome.

Have a safe trip and a great visit. If you get a chance visit the open market in Waegwan it's one of my favorite spots and it never seems to change.

Ann

Anonymous said...

Hi, I cruised across this site, while searching for my old bases during my tour in the Army. I was stationed @ Camp Carrol - druing the years 1983-1985 with the Materiel Support Center, at this time, we were the largest command on the camp, I was the head Personnel NCO. I enjoyed my tour and have some awsome memories. If anyone has pictures to share or memories, that would be nice. I have seen some of my army buddies since returning stateside. Thanks for the memories. It's something, when you are there in the service, you don't think that years later, you'll have memories to cherish~!
Gary D. :=)

Anonymous said...

I was stationed at Camp Carroll from March 88 to May 89 with the
260th M.P.Co.This was during the
'88 Olympics. I enjoyed your writings and pictures. Kenny H.

Anonymous said...

Hi, Very glad to have found this site. I could go on for ever but just to let you know that I was there in 1959-60 when we started CC. I have pictures on www.webshots.com/acknative as to where we lived and the start of Camp Carroll. Take a look, I can't beleive how Waegwan has grown.
Thank you once again. Richard Hardy

MMay said...

I was stationed at Camp Carroll from April 1988 to August 1989. RATT platoon, C Co., 307th Sig Battalion. Boy I wish they had a pool back then. I wonder if the Cherry Club is still in the ville?

Anonymous said...

" I wonder if the Cherry Club is still in the ville?"

if you go out gate 4 and swing a left , go a few blocks i think their is a club called "cherry club".

i have yet to go into it.

Queen For A Year said...

The Cherry Club was still there in March of 2005 - the last time I was in Waegwan. I can't say I've ever been in it but I noticed it often in passing.
Ann

RD said...

I love your webpage! My fiancee is stationed at Camp Carroll. I want to learn as much as I can so I won't be so clueless when I come to visit him. Your page is full of great info and great links. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Queen Bee, thanks. I was stationed
at CC from 75-76 in the 260th MP CO.
Anyone remember tank guard and
garbage truck detail? The post has
certainly changed! Back then it
was the King Club run by Mr Lee.
The gym had a universal weight machine and 1 handball/racquetball
court. There was an above ground
pool. The rec/PT field was behind
the MP barracks. It's hard to believe it was 33 years ago. Thanks again for the memories and
the great pictures!

Anonymous said...

I am currently stationed at Camp Carrol. All of the clubs that were asked about on your page are still there. Also now there is a new bowling alley, and gym. I will only be here for a few more months. I will miss alot of the locals here. Some have treated me like a son. I'll miss it here, but I can't wait to go back to St. Louis. Thanks to everyone for giving a perspective on how things used to be, and thank you Queen Bee.

Anonymous said...

Hi, I was stationed there with the 260th MP's from 1973-1976. I worked the gate by the ville quite a bit. Some clubs I remember were the King club, Playboy club, UN club, and Britts club.

Anonymous said...

hi there.
i stumbled across your blogs.
i read them all and started to cry!
i miss cp carroll or actually south korea so much.
i was stationed there last year &
i'd go back in a heart beat!!
i was a medic down there.
im in Fort Drum right now.
close to canada yeah?
well, thanks for sharing this.

J.J.ROC. said...

Wow what a great blog, reading through it sure brought back some memories. I wonder if the King Club is still there. I am going to build a night club here in Los Angeles and I want to build an exact replica. Anyone who is there or going to Cp. Carroll please send me some pictures and a floorplan. Heres my email jeffjjroc@earthlink.net. Long live the Sidewalk Surf Punks Korea Skateboard Association.

rjm001970@yahoo.com said...

King Club was a great club Flash took many pictures of me and my buddies in there.I really like the Esquire Club right next door also.

Angie said...

Thank you for your website. My son left today to go to camp Carroll. He is only 20 years old and this is his first duty station. I am excited for him and nervous. Once A mom always a mom.

joe wenger said...

WOW! What a great website.Served at Camp Carroll from Nov. 67 to Feb. 69 with the MP Detach. of HQ. Co. The best time of my life. Made some great friendships, only wish I could find some of these guys.Anyone there at the same time please contact meat jjw126@msn.com

Anonymous said...

I was stationed there in 82-83 when there was very little. Went back to Taegu 95-98 and have been in the Mid East ever since. I do miss the 4 seasons.

Drop me a line. g.marquez@us.army.mil

Carolyn said...

I was stationed at Camp Carroll April 1981 to April 1982. My last name is Rodriguez and I was a private when arriving and left Sp4. My MOS was O5 Bravo and started of painting vehicles in the motor pool. I was the only female in my platoon for a while and then more arrived. Private Daisy was my room mate and then Pvt Franscois.

sligo1974 said...

One of my classmates in BNCOC told me the other day that camp Carroll had closed. Guess he was wrong. I was a cook with 6th Ord 1995 to 1996 when i was in the Regular army. Does anyone know if Flash is still there? Or wolfman in the Queen Bee?

Anonymous said...

I was in Cp Carrol from 88-90 in the 260th MP CO. It was a great time. The post was much smaller then, I'd love to see how much it has changed. Hanging out at the clubs was a good time. I had the best friends, on and offpost, and I miss them all. Like to visit again one day. Tim Henry

Nick said...

I lived there for 1 year in 1994.. still looks the same. Thanks for the pix :)

Anonymous said...

I was stationed at CP Carroll 93-94...PFC Bill Burke. Wet behind the ears dragged right out of AIT. I remember my final weeks in Fort Gordon, my entire platoon except myself and PVT Coleman were given orders to Germany. Coleman and I were devastated to learn we had been assigned to South Korea.

At 19 years old, nothing that I had done in my life up to that point could prepare me for the culture shock that I ensued upon arrival.

It was my first real time away from home and separated from my parents and siblings. It was the first time I had spent a prolonged period of time in a foreign country. It was the year I grew up from a spoiled teen, to an eyes wide opened man.

The freedoms presented to me were unsurmountable as were the memories that have stuck with me long after that short year. I would not trade those experiences and moments for anything. And I will always have miss Weagwan, Korea

Anonymous said...

Eric Roach camp carroll 1988 my roommate gordan and rost also played on the company softball team what a fun year

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