Sunday, August 20, 2006

Discrimination of Foreigners in Korea

Writing this post is not easy for me. I don't like to think about or admit that because I am a foreigner that I am discriminated against here in Korea. But, the fact of the matter is that I am. I had never experienced discrimination before. Of course, as a woman I had experienced sexism but never racism or discrimination. Now I know what it means to be set apart and sometimes unable to spend my hard earned money to purchase goods and services I desire. I have been turned away from nightclubs and told that they don't "admit foreigners". I have had to use a Korean friend's ID number to buy sour cream on-line because I couldn't find it in any store here and my own Alien Registration Card number was not recognized or accepted. It has often reduced me to the same status as that of a dependant child. At first, it was just my inability to read and speak the language that made me so dependent on the help of Koreans. Now, that a number of years have passed and I have worked hard to become - if not fluent at least - competent in Korean I no longer see things with the same naivety that most new-comers do. Nor, do I accept that it is some how my fault for not trying to learn the language and adapt because I have done both to a higher degree than any other foreigner I know here. They say "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and in this cause I have to agree. Sometimes I wish I could turn back the clock and not know all that I do about the discrimination of foreigners in Korea. Sometimes the discrimination is subtle and sometimes it is more systemic and wide-spread.

It has taken me a long time and a lot of thought to write this post for my blog. Mainly, for the same reason that I don't post everyday [because of the way life is experienced living as a foreigner in a strange country if I were to post everyday I would seem like I am manic and in serious need of medication. What I mean by that is that when I had a good day I would write how much I love Korea and living here and when I had a bad day I would rant and say I hated Korea and all things Korean]. However, I have never wanted this blog to be a one-sided and negative rant on Korea and Korean society but I did promise myself that I would be honest and try and always present the truth if I could do so in a fair and balanced way. Attaining this balance requires a lot of time and thought and sometimes a cooling down period until I can look and write about an issue that is close to my heart in a more composed way.

Lately, I am bothered by the discrimination I face in Korea. It is not something that is often discussed in a calm clear-headed way at least not from what I have been reading on the internet. The new people who arrive here often don't know they are being discriminated against. Mostly, this is because they can't speak or read Korean and therefore have not tried to integrate themselves fully into Korean society.

I have lived in Korea for over 3 and 1/2 years and have spent a considerable amount of time and money [on books and cd's] to try and learn Korean and my Korean may not sound perfect or pretty but is actually quite functional. I can read Korean and enjoy watching Korean movies with English subtitles. I like to browse the internet and can read and navigate most websites in Korean quite well. As a result, I have tried to join some of the websites that are de rigueur for Koreans such as Cyworld, Nate, and Naver. But as unable to do so because I am a foreigner. How do computers know I am a foreigner? Simple. The system is set up to tell them this.

For almost everything you do in Korea from setting up a cell phone, establishing a bank account or signing up for a Korean e-mail account you need a number. Korean citizens have an ID cards and foreigners have Alien Registration Cards [ARC] both systems assign the numbers for life. Now comes the sticky part, there is a separate system of numbers for foreigners. For example all women in Korea born before 2000 have a number that starts with a 2 and all men born before 2000 have a number that starts with a 1. [After 2000 the male numbers begin with a 3 and female numbers begin with a 4]. The problem is ARC numbers don't begin with the same numbers, in fact, my ARC number begins with a 6 and therefore instantly identifies me as a foreigner and therefore not eligible for service. Computers don't recognize any numbers other than the ones that begin with a 1 or 2 [and I guess now 3 and 4]. When I use my number beginning with a 6 on-line all I get is an error message.

This requirement for numbers and the assigning to foreigners of numbers that are not recognized even by major corporations is a huge problem. It sets up a system by which foreigners can never really participate in all aspects of life in Korea. It sets us apart and segregates us.

I have been thinking about this situation and the frustrations and hard feelings it causes by making foreigners feel like second-class citizens in a country where they are legally living and working and paying taxes sometimes for multiple years. I've even talked to Korean friends and colleagues about this situation. None of the people I talked to were even aware of the situation and they were surprised to learn that a "white woman for {Canada} a first world country"[their description of me not my own] was not allowed to even internet shop in Korea. The only discrimination they were aware of was that directed toward women from third-world countries in Southeast Asia who marry rural Korean men. [Korean men living in rural areas cannot find Korean women willing to marry them and live away from the bright lights of the big cities but that is an issue for another post.]

My circle of Korean friends and acquaintances would be even more surprised to learn that "Korea earned a reputation as one of the more hostile countries toward foreigners". I read this in an article in the Korean Herald just this week.

Here's the link to the article to which I am referring.

  • Korean Herald Article


  • However, the Korean Herald has a nasty habit of after a couple of weeks making their webpages accessible to only "Premium Service Members" and this requires paying a fee {probably with a Korean Credit card for which I as a foreigner am not eligible} [if you don't believe me check and see the link I added to their article on "Heavy Rains" in my post entitled "Typhpoon Ewinar and Rain, rain and more rain". This was the first time I linked directly to their site and it worked well for several weeks, now however, it isn't accessible even to me. Since I am sure this isn't an isolated incident I have taken the precaution of cutting and pasting the entire article into this blog. Despite, that I am leaving the link so that if anyone wants they can check my sources and the link should work for the next couple of weeks anyway.

    ***
    Seoul sketches fuller life for foreigners
    -->
    Foreign community says much more must be done to help them feel at home
    This article is the last of a 10-part series dealing with multiculturalism in Korea. - Ed.
    In an eagerly awaited move, the Korean government recently announced sweeping changes to its policies toward foreigners in an apparent effort to tackle the rampant discrimination against noncitizens.


    In May this year during the first policymaking meeting on the treatment of foreigners, officials from 17 government organs gathered alongside the prime minister to discuss feasible measures for upgrading the lifestyles and overall environment of the foreign community.
    The focus of the conference was mostly on ethnic Koreans holding foreign citizenship and women who crossed borders to marry Korean men.
    Outlining six key policy goals, the government stated that it would build on these initiatives to continue molding policy safety nets for people of foreign nationalities.
    The six goals, although only an initial step, are compelling, observers say, since so far, Korea has been classified as not quite up to par when it comes to governing foreigners.
    In fact, contrary to its vision of blossoming into Northeast Asia's throbbing financial and logistics hub catering to global businesses and residents, Korea earned a reputation as one of the more hostile countries toward foreigners.[This is the part I quoted earlier].

    Further fueling the bad press, the Roh Moo-hyun administration cracked down on multinational firms by ratcheting up tax guidelines. Fears arose in the foreign business community here that the red tape would soon catch up with them.
    "Many foreign firms complained that there are no clear guidelines on how to interpret regulations of the Korean government," said Chung Tong-soo, the head of Invest Korea, an organization committed to foreign investment under the state-run Korea Trade-Investment Promotion Agency.

    In May this year, the government raised eyebrows in the foreign business community by ruling that Lone Star Funds, a U.S.-based equity fund, owes Seoul City billions of won in taxes. Lone Star is currently trying to sell Korea Exchange Bank, [the only bank that offers a credit card marketed towards foreigners living and working in Korea - my comment] which was bought in the aftermath of the financial crisis, but complications arose after the Finance Ministry was found to have played a hand in selling the bank at a discounted price.
    "The time is ripe for Korea to step up an exchange with foreign cultures. That is the trend of the future and the world, and one that is aligned with our national vision," said President Roh Moo-hyun during the May foreign policy meeting.

    The significance of the role that foreigners play in local society can no longer be ignored, he stressed, since Korea would inevitably have more multinational companies.
    As of 2005, the official number of foreigners residing here hit 747,467. That is approximately 1.55 percent of the entire South Korean population, according to figures from the Justice Ministry, the main government organization in charge of migration and foreigner-related affairs. Given the steady rate of increase, the figure is expected to reach 2.54 percent by 2010.

    Another staggering reflection of the growing foreign community is the number of foreigners who entered and left the country; that more than doubled between 1995 and 2005, the ministry data showed.

    So even from a nationally strategic standpoint, it has become impossible for Korea to put foreigner-related issues on the back burner, experts say.
    Key policy goals
    Under the broader aim of enhancing personal security for foreigners in order to improve social integration, the government laid out six policy goals: ease discrimination against ethnic Koreans holding foreign passports; beef up protection for foreign women married to Koreans and their offspring; increase support and protection for refugees; streamline legal guidelines for foreign workers; step up protection of human rights for illegal foreigners; and overall, create a healthy environment in which foreigners and Koreans can cohabit.
    In efforts to distance itself from its previously domineering image, the administration said these goals would be rooted in the basic ideas of "mutual respect and understanding."
    The detailed measures in the policy goals include the deployment of visitor working visas for ethnic Koreans, who account for a significant number of the foreigners streaming in.
    Last year, China, where large numbers of ethic Koreans reside, was the main source of foreigners coming to Korea.

    The government is planning to allow the parents of Chinese students with Korean roots who attended university here for over six months to work for Korean companies.
    Despite the quota the government will impose to control the volume of students, this means easier access to Korean schools for these children and could possibly help the current shortfall in university students.
    "I am most confident that the introduction of this system would significantly change the dynamics of the Chinese-Korean society by urging students to study more and in particular, learn the Korean language," said Seo Kyung-suk, a pastor at a Seoul-based church for Chinese immigrants.

    Seo added that the plans should be applied to all foreigners. "Parents must be allowed to join these students," he said.
    Foreigners - mostly women - who crossed borders to marry Koreans will receive a boost in their status.
    They will be provided with minimum living expenses and medical care, while more education opportunities are to be offered to their children.
    There has been a dramatic increase in the number of Korean men choosing foreigners as spouses
    These women are often maltreated by their Korean families, a practice the government has vowed to crack down on.
    Exclusive ethnic networks will also be created to enhance friendships between the women to help them feel more at home, officials say.
    Illegal residents will receive more lenient penalties so that despite their status, their children may become eligible for proper education here.
    The need to create a better environment for foreign workers was also addressed. A key clause the government suggested was to allow skilled technicians to stay for up to five years at a time, up from the current three years.
    Looking forward

    In this year's local elections, foreigners with Korean residency were allowed for the first time to cast ballots.
    Although the votes were limited to those who met strict residence conditions, the move marked a compelling change in Korea's foreigner-related policies.
    "For me, it was a watershed moment. I have waited so long for this day. I have endlessly petitioned on this issue because I felt it's unfair that I am regarded as a foreigner even though I pay my
    taxes and look and sound like everyone else," said Yang Jong-seung, a 56-year-old Taiwanese businessman who was born and raised here.
    Yang was joined by over 6,000 other voters who were ecstatic over their recognition as full-fledged citizens.

    Looking into the near future, Koreans will have to embrace an even larger foreign community as the country opens up to more investment from abroad and most importantly, foreigners who look forward to a savvy lifestyle in Asia's third-largest economy. Competition with other Asian neighbors is likely as more countries eye finance and service industries to bolster their growth.
    The volume of immigrants, regardless of whether they are wanted or not, will also inevitably climb higher if the figures so far are anything to go by.

    The time appears to be more than ripe for Korea to shape new policies to help form a society where both Koreans and their foreign counterparts live and work as compatible partners.
    (jemmie@heraldm.com)

    By Kim Ji-hyun
    2006.08.15

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    Even after 3 and 1/2 years here I have not been able to get a cell phone account and have to use PPS [pre-paid service] or as Canadians call it "pay as you go". This is very expensive over 50 cents a minute Canadian [double the rate in Canada]. I have a Canadian credit card, a Korean bank account, a job, an Alien Registration Card and even a working Visa issued by the government of Korea and I still can't get a cell phone account. In fact, I know only two foreigners who have their own cell phone accounts. One is a friend who I will call S. who has a management position at a large multinational company here in Korea and the other is a Cat, a fellow blogger, in Seoul. Cat wrote about her struggles to get a cell phone account in Korea.

    Here's the link to that.

  • Cat's Struggle to get a cell phone account


  • The Galbijim has a great article on getting a cell phone in Korea. Even they say that it is hard for foreigners to establish an account in their own names. This is a quote from their site. "Sign up for a plan under your own name. This is the most difficult option. You must have your Alien Registration Card (ARC), so you will be unable to sign up for at least a couple weeks after your arrival in Korea. [I had to have my ARC card to re-establish service on my own Pre-paid cell phone so had my Recruiter do this for me until I got my ARC card. I laughed and told friends a Russian Mobster could get a throw-away phone easier in New York City than I could get a cell phone in Korea.]

    Even once you have the ARC, not all companies make it easy for foreigners. SK requires an extra 200,000 won deposit and KTF requires a Korean credit card for the monthly balance to be automatically deducted. If you want to get a monthly phone plan from SK or KTF, then you need your ARC, passport and a deposit of 200-300,000won, in addition to the cost of the phone. If you are lucky enough to have an employer or Korean friend willing to do this for you, they can sign the plan contract in their name to avoid the deposit. There's usually a hookup fee of around 50,000won. There are many usage plans to choose from, so choose wisely.

    LG does not require the extra deposit, just a 30,000원 setup fee that can be spread out over a few months' payments. Your monthly bill can be deducted from your bank account, rather than a Korean credit card, so make sure to bring your bank book with you.

    Note: if you have a credit card, you can usually have the deposit waived."




  • Galbijim Info on Getting a cell phone in Korea


  • I have been reading a lot on the internet about this issue and I have found some interesting discussions on Pusanweb and Dave's ESL Cafe. The Pusanweb link is from an open forum on Korean Related Issues. The people there discuss the same things I have mentioned that even the internet sites that let you join won't accept a foreign credit card so we can't even buy the services they offer. One member mentions the fact that a few years ago the discrimination against foreigners on the internet was a huge issue and made the press and that the government then told Korean corporations that foreigners ARC "... numbers CAN be accepted. They did not say MUST be accepted. So, it is up to each individual company to decide if they will accept the numbers or not. And for most of them, we are not worth the trouble of hiring a couple of temp coders to write the variables into their databases that would accept numbers in the 'wegugin' ranges."

    The posts go on and on with people making fun of Korean's marketing slogan "The Hub of Asia". As per most of the forums related to Korea posted by foreigners things get pretty heated and sometimes down right hostile. I don't often read and post on these sites because of the negativity and hostility that can result but in this case I do understand. It is frustrating when [often well-intentioned] Koreans post on these sites and try to either offer excuses for our exclusion or try to tell us we can use the services when we have tried multiple times and have failed. Anyway, you can read all about it for yourself at this link.


  • pusanweb forum on Korean Internet Sites


  • Dave's ESL Cafe the mecca of ESL teachers has multiple discussions about Foreigner Discrimination and links to more sites than I can count. Here's the link.


  • Dave's ESL Cafe Discussion on Koreans Attitudes Towards Foreigners



  • Dave's ESL Discussion about Foreigners Exclusion from Korean Websites


  • When I used to teach adult students sometimes they used to send me e-mails to my hotmail account from hanmail [the Korean equivalent to hotmail] and when I would reply to them hanmail would not let my message through. It said that my message was "spam". However, I am unable to set up a Korean e-mail account. My students used to get angry at me for not replying to them. The really found it hard to believe that their e-mail systems would not recognize my e-mail address since they had sent me a message first and that I absolutely unable to find any international e-mail system [yahoo, gmail, hotmail] that Korean internet serves would let be delivered. Now I know that if a Korean friend or student asks for my e-mail address I must tell them to add me to their hanmail address book or e-mail me from yahoo or some other more international e-mail site or they will NEVER receive my reply. What a pain and not exactly user friendly. Other foreigners agree here's yet another link to information on that.


  • Problems between English and Korean E-mail


  • There is now a petition to on-line at Dave's ESL Cafe to let foreigners numbers be accepted on the internet in Korea. Here's the link to that.


  • Petition to let foreigners join Korean websites


  • Well that's my rant on Korean and some of the discrimination I face on a daily basis here. I hope it didn't turn out to be as nasty as some of the threads on the discussion boards I have just been reading and to which I have been linking. This sometimes systemic discrimination is an untenable aspect of life here in Korea and it makes foreigners feel even more isolated and alienated than we already feel living in a foreign country far away from our loved ones. I guess maybe when you discuss such emotionally charged issues it does bring out the negative side of people. I can only hope that with petitions and the education of average Koreans to the plight of foreigners here in Korea that change can begin.


    69 comments:

    1. Well it's an article you wrote which go very into the heart of the nation of Korea. As long as your name isn't Guus Hiddink it seems to be very difficult to live in the country you're living in. But maybe your expectancies were a little bit to high? I lived a while in LA and as a half serbian/indonesian/dutch girl it felt very strange to feel discrimination, ( my looks are like a latina), but it was discrimination because of my skin- colour and very different from your observations. I wish you lots of strength.

      Mandy, Amsterdam, Holland

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    2. i am a korean canadian, living in US. although i feel sorry for your troubles, for most of us, it's pretty much the same. your post makes it sound as if korea is the only country that treats foreigners like this, but it simply isn't true. i work with a company here in US, in California, and whenever i have people come on an extended business trip from, say, Korea, they go through the same: need to deposit $500- $5,000 to get "secured" credit card (you can only use up to the amount you deposit). they have to deposit $500 (another $500 if they want to call overseas) to get a mobile phone service, if they can get it at all. I'd love to join a local country club, but alas, my money is not good with them. apparently, i have to be white and old (they say, you must know a member and get recommended by one - sure if you are new, you'd know people like that)

      You claim that you can navigate through most websites in Korea, apparently not so. I don't have Korean citizenship, so when I signed up for Cyworld, for example, I used my Canadian passport to sign up. And I do use it frequently. i.e. Cyworld does accept foreigners. and yes, i have nate/nateon messenger as well.

      Foreigners in Korea feel they are discriminated against, sure, I think that is true to some extent, but I am not sure it's any worse than what people get when they come to either Canada or US. i certainly hope anyone is implying that only when a canadian/american gets discriminated it's worth blogging about while the other way, it's just way of life here.

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      1. I have lived in Korea for over three years. I have worked in Korea for over three years. My Korean language skills are good enough to understand most conversations. I pay taxes in Korea. I am from Toronto, Canada.

        There are MANY koreans in Toronto who are simply students, visiting, or working illegally (I say this out of the simple fact that I KNOW many who have and/or are...).

        Here is the difference between the "racism" you say we both face in each other's country:

        Koreans in Toronto don't sit on a subway seat, only to have every other people blatantly not sit down next to them.
        Koreans don't have people stare directly at them and then their bodies with a face of disgust.
        Koreans don't walk into a convenient store and are ignored.
        Koreans don't walk into a bank or government building (GOVERNMENT) only to be called out as "HEY YOU, FOREIGNER!"
        Koreans don't get turned away from bars or clubs because of their race.

        And believe me.. this list could go on.

        When it comes down to it, it isn't even racism really. What it is... is a lack of manners and regard for other people as equals. It's ethnocentricity at full force.

        Cheers!

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      2. You are so right. I've lived in Korea for more than 10 years now. I like my life here but as you say Koreans have no morals when it comes to the treatment of foreigners. Things that a foreigner is looked down on for doing, a Korean is actually sympathized with. The Korean moto is"Stick it to the foreigner". Recently I've learned of an EPIK teacher, a young American. He must pay $10,000 toward fire damage in his apartment. The school board has insurance but his share of the damage is $10,000. What happened was he was given an EPIK supplied electric heater, safety switch included. This young man was not only cold but hungry too. He stepped out long enough to buy some noddles at a local store and his apartment caught fire, supposably caused by the old, employer supplied electric heater. My understanding is every tenant in the building within shouting distance suffered some kind of damage from the fire. Does Korean insurance only cover Koreans. Or is it a case of "Stick it to the foreigner". I've heard of another case with EPIK where as a man had paid health insurance of $90 a month for almost 7 years. And in those 7 years he had only used the insurance one time. But because he used the insurance his employer a government organization would nolonger employ him. Is this really true about the ROK. I'd like to hear more about mistreatment of foreigners in Korea.

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    3. Everyone:
      Thank you for your comments. I didn't even know so many people from so many different places were reading. Thank you for reading and offering me your comments and advice.

      Annoymus and 4eus1 are right I can actually join cyworld if I fax them my ARC card. That doesn't excuse the fact that I can't even browse my friends' websites there without signing in with my "secret number". My picture [with my Korean friends] is posted on these sites and I can't even see them without taking the time and extra step of faxing my ID and getting a special number and setting up an account. I honestly don't know of ANY English websites that require membership to browse a friend's websites. Blogger, Wordpress, LiveJournal to name a few are all accessible to everyone everywhere.

      As per the cell phone issue ALL my Korean friends [who were students and therefore not working,earning money and paying Income Tax - like I am in Korea]in Toronto, Ontario, Canada were able to get cell phone accounts using their Korean Credit cards to secure the payment. I just want the same courtesy offered to me here in Korea using my Canadian Credit card as security.

      I don't mean to imply that discrimination of a white person from a "first-world" country is the only discrimination worth writing about maybe only that so far it is an issue that isn't written or discussed about much. Maybe it just shows like +=cyntheseizer=+ said that "discrimination is universal".
      Thank you all and please keep reading.
      Ann

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    4. I had to deposit USD 600 to buy a verizon cellphone in the states with my newly acquired social security number. Without social security number, they wouldn't sell me a phone.

      Basically I could understand most of the points in your writing, but I would like to point out that those comments in your writing were pretty subjective experiences of each individual.

      Glitches in the system are not intended to discriminate foreigners, they exist because the system is not mature enough to accomodate a pretty recent trend of influx of foreigners.

      In addition to that I would like to say something about my experience in North America. There, discrimination was way more subtler than in Korea. At least, Koreans don't have to be that subtle to hide the ball because we don't have it from the beginning.

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    5. I'm curious, 4eus1, as to whether or not you have ever lived in South Korea. As an overseas Korean, you would undoubtedly be denied much more than access to a country club.
      The problems/barriers overseas Koreans encounter in South Korea are well known and documented. As is the plight of migrant workers (by far the most maligned group) and yes, Anglo English teachers. It testifies to the attitude of Koreans to ANY outsider, regardless of race.

      Consider yourself lucky that you come from, and now reside in a nation where there is legal recourse for those who feel discriminated against. Here in Korea there is no such option. And herein the problem lies, and festers.

      There are Korean Canadians living successful lives in all aspects of Canadian society. Take for example Sandy Lee, the first Korean-Canadian woman elected to a legislature--NWT. Or Raymond Cho, Toronto city councillor.

      How far would their white, Indonesian or African counterparts get in South Korea?

      Country club indeed. As a citzen of a democratic, multicultural nation, you already belong to a "country club" of sorts. You live in a nation where despite the racism that exists, someone of any race can go as far as they want. Ask Mrs. Lee or Mr.Cho. You seem to be doing pretty good for yourself.
      Certainly being a Korean Canadian hasn't held you back from success, so to say "discrimiation exists everywhere" is a cop out.

      Your words repeat verbatim the response of Koreans when faced with the realities, and responsibilities of participating in a globalised society. Denial and hollow arguements. "It happens everwhere." "It's a misunderstanding." The truth is that non-Koreans are essentially non-entities in South Korea. The law provides nothing in terms or recourse or rights to anyone who feels discrimated against (be it justified or imagined). There is no privelege to being a foreigner in Korea, only punishment in the form of systematic denial of access to most facets of Korean society. A vietnamese sweatshop worker, denied pay and with her passport held hostage by her Korean boss would no doubt find your country club predicament laughable, if not downright callous.

      For you to compare the experiences of foreigners in North America and South Korea as similar is ludicrous. When there are Asian, African and turbaned individuals sitting in the Korean legislature, as there are in Canada's, you may make such comparisons.

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    6. I'm curious, 4eus1, as to whether or not you have ever lived in South Korea. As an overseas Korean, you would undoubtedly be denied much more than access to a country club.
      The problems/barriers overseas Koreans encounter in South Korea are well known and documented. As is the plight of migrant workers (by far the most maligned group) and yes, Anglo English teachers. It testifies to the attitude of Koreans to ANY outsider, regardless of race.

      Consider yourself lucky that you come from, and now reside in a nation where there is legal recourse for those who feel discriminated against. Here in Korea there is no such option. And herein the problem lies, and festers.

      There are Korean Canadians living successful lives in all aspects of Canadian society. Take for example Sandy Lee, the first Korean-Canadian woman elected to a legislature--NWT. Or Raymond Cho, Toronto city councillor.

      How far would their white, Indonesian or African counterparts get in South Korea?

      Country club indeed. As a citzen of a democratic, multicultural nation, you already belong to a "country club" of sorts. You live in a nation where despite the racism that exists, someone of any race can go as far as they want. Ask Mrs. Lee or Mr.Cho. You seem to be doing pretty good for yourself.
      Certainly being a Korean Canadian hasn't held you back from success, so to say "discrimiation exists everywhere" is a cop out.

      Your words repeat verbatim the response of Koreans when faced with the realities, and responsibilities of participating in a globalised society. Denial and hollow arguements. "It happens everwhere." "It's a misunderstanding." The truth is that non-Koreans are essentially non-entities in South Korea. The law provides nothing in terms or recourse or rights to anyone who feels discrimated against (be it justified or imagined). There is no privelege to being a foreigner in Korea, only punishment in the form of systematic denial of access to most facets of Korean society. A vietnamese sweatshop worker, denied pay and with her passport held hostage by her Korean boss would no doubt find your country club predicament laughable, if not downright callous.

      For you to compare the experiences of foreigners in North America and South Korea as similar is ludicrous. When there are Asian, African and turbaned individuals sitting in the Korean legislature, as there are in Canada's, you may make such comparisons.

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    7. There seems to be some problem with the blogger comment system. Something seems to be happening to make people who comment think that their annonymus comments aren't being accepted and having to set up blogger ID's. However, this is not the case. I just want everyone to know that.

      If you don't see your comment immediately it is because it gets e-mailed to me for moderation. So far I have posted all comments but I do reserve the right to moderate the comments on my blog. I started doing this to stop spam and have not yet had to use it to suppress anyone's opinion. Therefore I posted all comments received and will continue to do so as long as they do not become abusive.

      Thanks everyone for your time.
      Ann

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    8. Hello again. I think you wrote thoughtfully, posting in a non-inflammatory way, the difficulties you have experienced, and also provided multiple other links for others to read for themselves.

      You have not insulted or belittled anyone, but related what you have experienced. Your experiences do not have to match up to the great injustices in this world, nor be wieghed against the political firestorms of internatinal crises to be valid.

      This is your blog, your life, and your opinions. I am sure, if your experiences were in the US, your blog would deal with that. But, you can only write you know and have experienced.

      I think you showed intelligence, courage, honesty, and restraint to tackle a difficult topic.

      Thank you for sharing...

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    9. Unilove:
      Thank you for your praise and encouragement. It makes the struggle it took to write it worth it.

      I remember you saying before that you had taught in Japan. If you have time I would love it if you'd drop me an e-mail at queenforayear@hotmail.com and tell me some of your experiences there.

      Thanks again for taking the time to write and your kindness and understanding.
      Ann

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    10. Alas, it was not I that taught in Japan. I am just a regular reader of your blog, and find myself relating to your blog, because you respond to events as I think I might. Actually, you have a great deal more patience and acceptance than I think I might have in your circumstances.

      Your life is an adventure, and may it always be that!

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    11. Unilove:
      Sorry my mistake. Now I will drive myself crazy wondering who taught in Japan that I am confusing you with. UMMM!

      Anyway,thanks for reading and offering such warm wishes and well thought out comments.
      Ann

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    12. A very well written commentary. I have provided a link to this from the USFK Forums that I post at regularly as there are several ESL instructors that post there also. It is a shame that so many people are very protectionest when it comes to their country. I think it can be found everywhere but seems to be more prronounced in Korea and Japan. Keep up the good writing

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    13. It's a difficult issue and you handle it very well. As a really new immigrant (< 6 months), I agree that new folks probably don't understand the extent to which they are held apart from the rest of the population.

      I do also agree that discrimination against non-citizens happens everywhere, but I also agree that that doesn't make it any less of a problem here. And, it doesn't just hurt the foreigners. I can't help but think that such practices in the end limit Korean economic and academic progress as people of other nationalities decide to invest elsewhere.
      Some amount of protectionist behavior is, I believe, justified, but not to the extent that it currently exists.
      Things are changing, however, I think. I am reminded of an American expat I know who lived in Seoul several years ago. She said that foreigners were then not allowed to rent anywhere in the city they pleased, but relegated to certain 'foreigner allowed zones' ostensibly because they would only accept the Western style housing, but, she believes, mainly because landlords believed that Koreans wouldn't accept foreigners for neighbors . That's no longer the case.

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    14. First of all....interesting blog.

      As for the post/article on discrimination I think you have a right to voice your concerns and frustrations but that the examples you use are far from exclusive to Korea. They are however your first contact with discrimination and that does generate a stronger reaction (read: out of proportion to the actual event/instance).

      I have been teaching in Korea since 1998. I am currently in Canada visiting family. I have had none of the problems you encountered or at least have not been detered by them. I have a cell phone but it took me a while to build up credibility with the company. Now I get the same rates and services as others in Korea.

      I find that foreigners in Korea get discriminated against to some extent but that we are too quick to forget how much positive discrimination occurs that actually favours us!

      We need to be careful not to pass judgement on a country we barely know (sorry but a few years here means we only scratch the surface).

      Being married to Korean woman has shown me a different perspective of Korea. So has having two kids here! (I got my full phone service without my wife's help btw).

      I find it is also useless to compare Korea to Canada as the two countries have completely different histories and ethnic composition. Please consider all of this before you speak of discrimination....

      Just my two pennies in the pond here.

      Patrick, currently in Canada

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    15. Interesting and thoughtful posting. I've only just arrive a couple of weeks ago and not
      really found much to complain about yet.
      Getting credit cards for foreigners in a foreign land
      is always difficult what ever country you are in. I can't imagine how difficult it
      might be back in the UK if I was a South Korean who did not speak any english!

      We might well try for a KEB credit card as my wife has a KEB bank account.

      I am very impressed that you managed to get so good at Korean. I will be very lucky
      to speak more than a few words by the time we leave in a year, my language learning skills
      are terrible. I came here from a mention on the Marmots hole.
      Keep going, I don't believe they are ALL out to get you :)
      maybe just a few ;(

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    16. Hi,
      Im a student who's studying korean in Australia. I have been to Korea once before, and I find it hard to believe that there is discrimination against foreigners. Not once while I was there did I have any trouble at all! Compare that to the Koreans in Australia (I'm sure Canada is just as bad!) When I have been out with my korean friends, they have been sworn at, told to 'go back to china' even though they are korea, and once they even had eggs thrown at them. This kind of discrimination happens to them everyday, not just to Koreans but to all people of asian decent. So when you can't get a phone, or shop online think about the people who really get discriminated against, not only in AUS, but canada, the US and UK as well. I think you should realise that when a foreigner goes overseas everything isn't going to be the same as at home.... I think your just being a bit to picky...
      but anyway, next year I will be living in Korea for 6 months, so I guess I will see then whether what you say is true. Oh, and I'm an Australian citizen and I have cyworld and use it regularly to talk to my korean friends! So I can't see how if I can get it you can't???

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    17. Discrimination in Korea and Japan is common place. Especially since both are very homogenous countries.

      I faced discrimination in Japan, where it is much more subtle than Korea due to the larger number of foreigners. However discrimination here and in Korea is very similar. I returned from Korea recently but I didn't face many problems.. however I must admit I was extremely conspicous. There are very few foreigners in Korea compared to Japan.

      I was not allowed to go to some clubs in Japan. There were signs strictly denying access to bars and clubs saying "No foreigners, Japanese only" which shocked me.I had been living in Japan for a year and the longer I've been here the more aware I am of discrimination.

      I understand your frustration!



      -A woman from Germany

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    18. Thank you very much for sharing. As an expat from the States who's just recently moved to Korea, I can relate with quite of few of the things you've been saying. But all countries and all journeys have their goods and bads. I am grateful to people such as yourself who have come before me and can help others such as myself through blogs like these. Thank you.

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    19. I am an American that lived in Korea for about one year. I went for the same reason as you, which was tutoring English. I think your case might have been a unique one. From what I experienced and with speaking with many of the people there, most Koreans in general absolutely do not think of foreigners, especially caucasians, as second class citizens. I'm sorry that you felt that way, but maybe if you had a more open-mind and positive view of things and went back to Korea, it would be a better experience. I know that I did not feel discriminated and I felt very respected and welcomed.

      Also, I didn't have any of the problems you had with your cell phone and making a bank account. I was VERY simple for me. When making a bank account, I just went in, told them I was from America, showed them my foreign ID card, filled out a general information paper, waited for a few minutes and walked out. No minimum desposit was required and went back to pick up the ATM card a couple of days later... and I had two bank accounts from different institutions. The cell phone was even easier. I just don't see how your experience was SO different from mine. Better luck next time I guess.

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    20. For those of you who write they dont know of any discrimination in Korea, you are the exception. I worked for the US government there for 6 years, and during that time I witness and was the recipient of many cases of discrimination. There has been many times where I tried to get a cab only to be told sorry not working. However the first Korean he came to was able to get in the cab and ride away. Even more discriminatory is the Korean government. If a foreigner gets in an accident it is automatically his fault. You are correct about the cell phones, my wife is a naturalized American Citizen born and raised in Korea. She could not get a cell phone until her sister had it put in her name. Dont get me wrong I loved being in Korea. However I have found them to be some of the most inconsiderate rude people that I have ever seen and i have seen many all over the world. people say the French are rude, I have never been elbowed by a Frenchman who decided they didnt want to wait in line. The only place that I have ever had to be careful about getting run over by a motorcycle on the sidewalk has been Korea. If you dont believe me about the elbow, go to Shinshiga or Lotte on a Saturday. If you have not been descriminated against consider yourself fortunate. I would have to wait somewhere else while my wife went shopping. If they say she was with a foreigner, the price normally doubled. Especially in places like the open markets. OK nuff said.

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    21. It's really simple. If you don't like Korea, then get out of there. Before you even say something like that, why don't you take a look at my country Korea history? ... We been invaded and ruined by so many foreigners that we just simply can't trust them. It's just not in Korea, discrimination is universal lady. If you can't handle that, then go somewhere else in Russia where your kind is much more appreciated.

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    22. Anonymous:

      Was your comment meant to be kind and foster understanding? Cause if it was it misses the mark. So does your comment about "going somewhere else it Russia". I am Canadian - I have never been to Russia. What does Russia have to do with anything? This just shows your lack of knowledge of me, my blog and my comments. But thanks for proving my point about discrimination...
      Ann

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    23. There is no doubt that Korea and also Japan is the most homogeneous country in the world. Demographic shows that not even 1% of population is non Korean,therefore, people are just way too ignoramus about other cultures not to mention relucant to accept foreigners or even Korean from abroad ( I have spent most of my life abroad and could never adjust back to Korea )
      It is very sad but it is just the way the society and the race is.As a Korean lived in many other countries, I refuse to go back to Korea. Korea/Japan is never a place for people who has dual identities let alone foreigners.
      Also Korean is most against for international marriage amongst Asian
      I am glad I don't live in that country because I don't want to waste another day there.

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    24. Hi there, thanks for sharing this story. I had some trouble getting on Cyworld/Nateon as a foreigner as well. I wonder how it will be when I live in Seoul in August. I will follow your blog, thanks!

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    25. Very interesting comments.

      I'm an American and traveled to Korea and Japan in many occassions. My experience in Korea has been pleasant, and I didn't feel discriminated much, if at all.

      I think what most people are experiencing is the fact that many Korean people are "afraid" of talking to foreigners because of the language barrier. For example, some cab drivers won't give me a ride because they are afraid to talk to me, not that they "hate" me. You also need to understand that many cab drivers will take passengers based on their destinations. I've seen this first hand with my Korean friend, who also couldn't get a cab.

      As for the person who didn't "want to waste another day there", I just don't see any specifics, but a lot of hatred. I also have to tell you that you are absolutely wrong about the Koreans being against international/inter-racial marriages. In fact, Korean women, among all asians, are most likely to marry caucasian men. Look it up. You just sound like a bitter Korean who got rejected by his/her own people if you ask me. If you are nice to them, they'll reciprocate the favor. What a concept, eh?

      As some have already mentioned, you also need to think about the "positive discrimination" aspect. In many cases, foreigners in Korea get a lot of benefits for not speaking the language and just looking different.

      As for the person who mentioned how badly some vietnamese sweatshop worker is treated in Korea, I hope we are not just repeating what newspapers have reported. If you think that it's unique to Korea, you are sadly mistaken. How do you think poor illegal Mexicans are treated in the US? It happens everywhere, even in the US. You can take a moral high ground and holier-than-thou attitude if it makes you sleep better, but let's not kid ourselves in thinking that the sweatshops in Korea are somehow worse than in other places.

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    26. Very interesting comments.

      I'm an American and traveled to Korea and Japan in many occassions. My experience in Korea has been pleasant, and I didn't feel discriminated much, if at all.

      I think what most people are experiencing is the fact that many Korean people are "afraid" of talking to foreigners because of the language barrier. For example, some cab drivers won't give me a ride because they are afraid to talk to me, not that they "hate" me. You also need to understand that many cab drivers will take passengers based on their destinations. I've seen this first hand with my Korean friend, who also couldn't get a cab.

      As for the person who didn't "want to waste another day there", I just don't see any specifics, but a lot of hatred. I also have to tell you that you are absolutely wrong about the Koreans being against international/inter-racial marriages. In fact, Korean women, among all asians, are most likely to marry caucasian men. Look it up. You just sound like a bitter Korean who got rejected by his/her own people if you ask me. If you are nice to them, they'll reciprocate the favor. What a concept, eh?

      As some have already mentioned, you also need to think about the "positive discrimination" aspect. In many cases, foreigners in Korea get a lot of benefits for not speaking the language and just looking different.

      As for the person who mentioned how badly some vietnamese sweatshop worker is treated in Korea, I hope we are not just repeating what newspapers have reported. If you think that it's unique to Korea, you are sadly mistaken. How do you think poor illegal Mexicans are treated in the US? It happens everywhere, even in the US. You can take a moral high ground and holier-than-thou attitude if it makes you sleep better, but let's not kid ourselves in thinking that the sweatshops in Korea are somehow worse than in other places.

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    27. "why don't you take a look at my country Korea history? ... We been invaded and ruined by so many foreigners that we just simply can't trust them" This person clearly is not Korean. Ann you have lived in Korea for 3 1/2 years as you would know most Koreans would not say "my country Korea," we say "our country Korea" This is a japanese or chinese trying to stir things up here in this blog. This may sound like an excuse for now which I hope it may change in the future with more foreigners living in Korea, as you have mentioned Koreans government is taking baby steps into better the lives of foreigners. BTW I really enjoy reading your blog from Korean's POV

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    28. Wow, S. Korea sounds quite harsh. I'm assuming that people aren't like that everywhere and I've actually heard stories from my Korean friend who visited me in Japan.
      I intended to go to S. Korea to study in university (yes, I'm nearly fluent but I'm not of Korean heritage or even Asian as a matter of fact), but I guess I'm going to have to think it through again.
      I think if you were able to put up with that after all those years, you're patient and you've made good friends.

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    29. Canada is 10 times more multi cultural than any Nation but there is still rascism... Not as bad per area as all other nations...

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    30. I'm a black American, young man, living in South Korea and my experience thus far has been awesome. I was able to open a bank account with relative ease. I have a cell phone. I've only been here for three months. If I am being discriminated against I'm not aware of it. I'm not naive to it either, I'm just saying it isn't in my face. I have had the typical "Oh My God!" moments when I walk into a place not accustomed to foreigners, accompanied by staring, but people get over it like 2 seconds later and they don't dwell on it. And I have to say, since I live in a relatively small town, the stores I frequent were over it in like 3 days and I receive impeccable service. When I go to new stores people are somewhat intimidated only because of language barriers, nothing seems cynical or racism related.

      I've had no problems getting taxis. And the taxi drivers are always trying to have conversation with me.

      I do get stared at a lot and people make no bones about letting me know that they are staring at me. And I do get a lot of staring and whispering together. But I just stare back, wave, or give the finger depending on my mood. But then again, I don't perceive the staring as cynical. I mean, Hey!, I'm a black guy in semi-urban South Korea. They just don't see many of us here, so I feel it's a source of intrigue and not done as a function of xenophobia.

      I have found that people want to talk to me, almost everywhere I go. They seem very interested in me. Many strangers just come up and talk to me and assume that I am an English speaker and that I am from America. Only 2 people have been like are you from "Africa" as if it were a homogeneous country rather than a ethically dynamic continent consisting of distinct countries, but that's another story.

      Most people seem to want to introduce me to Korean society and like to hear that I like the food the music and are always pleasantly surprised by this. And all this is in a small town. A small town that's not just any town, it's one that is (by it's own definition) the most conservative and traditional because it is the bedrock of 5000 years of Korean history.

      I want someone to comment on this next statement, but I think that Koreans seem more harsh on other Asian ethnicities and white persons, than anyone else. And I'm basing this on the horror stories I've heard from people I know here in South Korea that aren't black.

      The range of reactions I get from people here in South Korea is different by age. Middle-aged persons are always wanting to talk to me or looking at me quietly but not cynically. Teenagers always go crazy and start chatting about me to each other, but it doesn't seem cynical. Old people just stare but think about it, their whole life they've never seen a black guy in the flesh, so I'm like a ghost. So that's excusable. Kids have the full range of reactions they are scared, intrigued, whatever. The bottom line with this is I've found that each time I get to know a Korean person, they see that I am no different from them. I have goals, dreams, passions, likes, dislikes. And we all desire the best we can get out of life for ourselves and our families.

      When I scour the internet for stories, I always see these negative experiences that make me cringe and make me feel fearful just looking at them. I even had friends tell me bad things that I couldn't believe.

      For those who have not seen this. This is a link to a news article with an embedded audio cast about ethnic discrimination in hiring English teachers in South Korea. It's from National Public Radio. I had already gotten my job and had been in South Korea for about 2 months when I saw the article. And if I had seen it earlier, it would have scared me into not coming to the country. And I would have missed out on all the great things I've experienced so far. As far as the subject of the preference of a white teacher over a black or other ethnicity, I can't say. I just don't see that in my experience. But I'm sure it's out and is not unique to South Korea.

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11826937

      All of my friends who are White, here in South Korea have told me the most grievances. It's odd, it seems that for the first time in their lives they feel palpable discrimination. I almost feel like a celeb here in South Korea. As soon as I walk into any room, I have the attention of every person. I've had people offer me to sit with them, people buy drinks, food. I feel completely welcomed.

      On the occasional moment that I feel something isn't on the up and up, I ignore it. I don't have time to waste on it, and I'm not giving that person or persons my attention because I'm king and they are subjects that don't deserve to be in my presence...Yeah, I'm a cocky Mother Fuc*er.

      But really, when I first got here, I thought I was getting discriminatory treatment from a store clerk on a repeated basis. But then I realized it had nothing to do with me. She was a bitch with Korean customers too. So at that moment, I decided to not fall into the trap of internalizing interactions with people and looking for there to be anti-foreigner sentiment behind every action. Koreans are just like anyone. Sometimes you're just having a bad day.

      In closing, I think it's all in how you carry yourself. Your style, your swagger. I carry myself like the Glam God King that I am and as a result my subjects worship me (just kidding about the glam god thing) but seriously. I've found that just looking friendly and approachable goes a long way. This was really long so if there are typos, I'm so sorry.

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    31. I'm a black American, young man, living in South Korea and my experience thus far has been awesome. I was able to open a bank account with relative ease. I have a cell phone. I've only been here for three months. If I am being discriminated against I'm not aware of it. I'm not naive to it either, I'm just saying it isn't in my face. I have had the typical "Oh My God!" moments when I walk into a place not accustomed to foreigners, accompanied by staring, but people get over it like 2 seconds later and they don't dwell on it. And I have to say, since I live in a relatively small town, the stores I frequent were over it in like 3 days and I receive impeccable service. When I go to new stores people are somewhat intimidated only because of language barriers, nothing seems cynical or racism related.

      I've had no problems getting taxis. And the taxi drivers are always trying to have conversation with me.

      I do get stared at a lot and people make no bones about letting me know that they are staring at me. And I do get a lot of staring and whispering together. But I just stare back, wave, or give the finger depending on my mood. But then again, I don't perceive the staring as cynical. I mean, Hey!, I'm a black guy in semi-urban South Korea. They just don't see many of us here, so I feel it's a source of intrigue and not done as a function of xenophobia.

      I have found that people want to talk to me, almost everywhere I go. They seem very interested in me. Many strangers just come up and talk to me and assume that I am an English speaker and that I am from America. Only 2 people have been like are you from "Africa" as if it were a homogeneous country rather than a ethically dynamic continent consisting of distinct countries, but that's another story.

      Most people seem to want to introduce me to Korean society and like to hear that I like the food the music and are always pleasantly surprised by this. And all this is in a small town. A small town that's not just any town, it's one that is (by it's own definition) the most conservative and traditional because it is the bedrock of 5000 years of Korean history.

      I want someone to comment on this next statement, but I think that Koreans seem more harsh on other Asian ethnicities and white persons, than anyone else. And I'm basing this on the horror stories I've heard from people I know here in South Korea that aren't black.

      The range of reactions I get from people here in South Korea is different by age. Middle-aged persons are always wanting to talk to me or looking at me quietly but not cynically. Teenagers always go crazy and start chatting about me to each other, but it doesn't seem cynical. Old people just stare but think about it, their whole life they've never seen a black guy in the flesh, so I'm like a ghost. So that's excusable. Kids have the full range of reactions they are scared, intrigued, whatever. The bottom line with this is I've found that each time I get to know a Korean person, they see that I am no different from them. I have goals, dreams, passions, likes, dislikes. And we all desire the best we can get out of life for ourselves and our families.

      When I scour the internet for stories, I always see these negative experiences that make me cringe and make me feel fearful just looking at them. I even had friends tell me bad things that I couldn't believe.

      For those who have not seen this. This is a link to a news article with an embedded audio cast about ethnic discrimination in hiring English teachers in South Korea. It's from National Public Radio. I had already gotten my job and had been in South Korea for about 2 months when I saw the article. And if I had seen it earlier, it would have scared me into not coming to the country. And I would have missed out on all the great things I've experienced so far. As far as the subject of the preference of a white teacher over a black or other ethnicity, I can't say. I just don't see that in my experience. But I'm sure it's out and is not unique to South Korea.

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11826937

      All of my friends who are White, here in South Korea have told me the most grievances. It's odd, it seems that for the first time in their lives they feel palpable discrimination. I almost feel like a celeb here in South Korea. As soon as I walk into any room, I have the attention of every person. I've had people offer me to sit with them, people buy drinks, food. I feel completely welcomed.

      On the occasional moment that I feel something isn't on the up and up, I ignore it. I don't have time to waste on it, and I'm not giving that person or persons my attention because I'm king and they are subjects that don't deserve to be in my presence...Yeah, I'm a cocky Mother Fuc*er.

      But really, when I first got here, I thought I was getting discriminatory treatment from a store clerk on a repeated basis. But then I realized it had nothing to do with me. She was a bitch with Korean customers too. So at that moment, I decided to not fall into the trap of internalizing interactions with people and looking for there to be anti-foreigner sentiment behind every action. Koreans are just like anyone. Sometimes you're just having a bad day.

      In closing, I think it's all in how you carry yourself. Your style, your swagger. I carry myself like the Glam God King that I am and as a result my subjects worship me (just kidding about the glam god thing) but seriously. I've found that just looking friendly and approachable goes a long way. This was really long so if there are typos, I'm so sorry.

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    32. I recently discovered the wonderful world of Korean websites. A lot of websites accept my Alien Registration number, but they are for shopping or signing up for a road race. The important sites don't. I spent a half hour trying to sign onto Daum and the problem for me didn't seem to be that my ID number was wrong, but that my name when written in Korean didn't match the name on the card. Of course, I could be wrong. Similarly, when I wanted to buy something from a shopping site, my Visa card would only be accepted if I scanned them a copy of the card and waited a week.

      Imagine trying to buy something off of Amazon and being told that your Korean credit card needs to be verified (note: if this actually happens, I think it's horrendous).

      The world online is astonishingly discriminatory, but to be fair, it's a small part of life in Korea. Overall, I think Korea treats foreigners, at least English-speaking foreigners, better than my country (Canada) treats foreigners. Subway stations are announced and written in English, people always help me out with an English word, signs in stores are written in English, etc.

      In my hometown of Toronto, which is likely the most diverse city in the world (911 speaks over 150 languages), a Korean wouldn't get that treatment. Subway stops aren't announced in Korean, ATMs don't offer an option to be served in Korean, the bank or travel agency probably won't have a Korean speaker, and so on.

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    33. Hello!

      I have 7 years in this country. Now I'm almost going to graduate from KAIST and fortunately I can say that I get cured from yellow fever...3 hours after (time that takes bus from Daejeon to Incheon) I received my PhD title I get a hell out of here :)

      Cheers!

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    34. It's funny, I googled "foreigners working for Koreans", and found this blog.

      I am a Canadian-born with parents who immigrated here from other countries each. Actually, my parents have always lived as minorities, since they have never lived in the same country as their ethnic origin. My family, from both sides, was in fact quite nomad, until I was born, and then, my parents suddently decided to become sedentary here in the the Great Grand North and cold....

      I like it here, especially since the city where I live is the center of multiculturalism and multilinguism. I feel I am understood, in my city.

      But, when I was growing up, I went to a French high school where if I uttered one word of English during recess or lunch hour or to explain homework to another English-speaking friend, I would be reprimanded by the teachers and supervisors..... and rejected by the French-speaking students.

      So much for my upbringing.

      I've become someone very interested in various cultures and the international scene. Maybe, looking for a place to belong...

      Today, I work for Korean diplomats in my country. I've done everything, from accepting my role as a secretary with no possibilities of advancement, while I have a law degree and currently studying a Masters, to making and serving coffee, to keeping silent when everyone speaks in Korean and blatantly ignores me to accepting that my "Canadian" opinions on any given topic, social to political to family, could be offensive. I've accepted favoritism at work that was prejudicial towards me because I am not feminine or submissive enough (what my bosses qualify as "ware and mature") - basically, not "Korean" enough. It's hard, because I'm studying human rights, and I am very opinionated...

      I have unfortunately lost a friend, I think, who came to do her internship with us. Feeling the need to confide to someone, I told her how I felt. She took it as an offence to her culture. But I really had good intentions towards her. I know how it is to be a stranger in a different country, so I tried really hard to help her settle in and even coached her at work and made her write English compositions that I would correct, on a voluntary basis, though no one asked me to....

      I guess I should learn how to keep my opinions to myself.....

      But I am hurt and feel excluded, nonetheless....

      I quit my job last week. I worked in this place for 3 years. Then stopped to start my Masters and returned 2 years ago.

      I find it sad that after all my efforts, even trying to learn Korean and paying a good price for it (though it proved to be quite hard for me), in the end, they will remember more of the end that the process. They will remember that I quit. That I had opinions which offended their culture. That I was unhappy.

      It's sad, because I tried everything to making them happy.

      I understand discrimination. My parents faced it. I faced it. I continue to face it everywhere I go.

      I just wish people would accept me the way I am willing to accept them. With all my qualities and faults....

      Instead, I lost a friend and I lost my bosses' respect. I guess maybe I never had either.

      It is a very lonesome feeling.

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    35. What a sad but wonderfully well written comment. It is a very lonesome feeling indeed but if it is any consolation - know that you are no alone.

      I wish you good luck in all that you do.
      Ann

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    36. Hello!! Nice post!

      When I was 18 years old I had a biggest dream, to go to Japan, so I went and lived there for 2 years. And unfortunatelly I have more bad memories than good memories from my time out there. They have a lot of discrimination. Especially with us, Brazilian people.

      Now that I'm back to my country, I wanna go to Korea. It's a pity that discrimination exists everywhere...

      Good Luck and never give your dreams up!!
      Thanks for the post!

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    37. I'm Korean but an American citizen living in Korea. I face many of the problems that you are experiencing. All of those things you consider racism has nothing to do with racism. Cell phone accounts used to be made for everyone including foreigners. A large number of foreigners ran up outrageous phone bills then ran off to their countries without paying for their bills. It's more like a credit issue for the government not racism.

      Koreans are intrigued by foreigners. They don't think they're better than you. It wouldn't be right to label Koreans as racists because they're staring at you. I get a sense that you haven't visited a lot of other countries yet. If you traveled to other countries you would know about this. You should try thinking from an international point of view not a Canadian point of view. I hope you start broadening your mind so that you can deal with your personal issues.

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    38. Well, it is strange to me that you could not make an account in some famous Korean sites. I live in US, but I made my accounts without any problem on those web sites you listed. You probably didn't know how to to it.

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    39. Well, Anonymous there is racists in Korea. I have been called the N-word here and 타르 아기(tar baby). And what do you think of a group called anti-English Spectrum that harass foreigners with their Korean girlfriends. A look at teh Korean times posters in teh comment section will reveal a whole lot. Also check out http://www.youseok.wordpress.com

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    40. Let's be honest here, discrimination exists EVERYWHERE. Please do not be surprised that another country will not grant you same privliages as natives because you are a foreigner. I am an Asian American, and truth be told I face MORE discrimination and racism here in America, the "land of the free," than any other country in the world. That is a very sad factor because America is supposedly a "melting pot" with a "rich mix" of different cultures, for such a "rich mix" of different nationalities, if I am not of Caucasian decent than I am not given the same service nor privilage as someone with a Caucasian feature. Korea is a country of KOREANS meaning that the country only resides with Korean people, not a rich mix of anything. And please don't tell me Korea is the "most" hostile towards foreigners because they are definitely not. Koreans tend to be more openly "hositle" because of how the GI's treat Koreans in their own country. It is a matter of a history of disrespect from foreigners. I do understand from your post that you are earnestly trying to be open to learning Korean culture and I respect that, but please respect the fact that MANY foreigners are not like you. As a expat living in Korea, I have seen in numerous occasions how rude and how haughty foreigners treat Koreans based on online readings, expectations, and their own personal demands and ignorance. It was really unsightly, but the world is like this. Even when I went to London, I was treated very poorly because 1. I was Asian 2. I was woman 3. I was American. I'm sorry you had such a terrible time during your stay, but Korea is softening more in terms of foreigners who stay in Korea. I see this post is old, but I am responding anyways. It is much easier to get a cell phone now, SK Telecom the biggest provider in Korea now has a site in English for foreigner's sake. You may register to Daum Cafe, or CyWorld through your Alien Registeration number OR you can fax in a application to headquarters and they will respond within the week. Night clubs tend to not let foreigners in because there has been a lot of bad scandals that arose in Korea with GI's and other foreigners who cause havoc in nightclub especially because cultures are so different and to avoid all complications of legal actions, many places will not let a foreigner in. I do hope your view has changed since 2006, Korea is more foreign friendly now than it was even a few years ago. Many leading companies like Samsung, SK, LG, KT, etc are making ways to help accomadate foreign travels/living in Korea. I just would like for you to bear in mind one thing though, no matter where you go, people are no different no where else. If you are a foreigner to any country, it takes a very long time and extremely lots of patience from both parties to finally gain acceptance as a native. I read an article on a Western woman who was excepted as a Geisha in Japan, and she wrote that finding true acceptance in Japan took her over 20 years of dilligence and to do so she had to strip her identity as who she was before. It was an extreme step and I am not telling you to follow her lead, but as an example of how hard it is for any foreigners to find total acceptance and welcome in any country. Especially Asian countires because of such strict views in life and towards people. I hope other than this, you enjoy your stay in Korea.

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    41. Hi all:
      I am living back in Canada where I have many friends that are Korean and all nationalities. :)
      I have become so much more sensitive to other people and their struggles to fit in wherever they are. I actively fight discrimination whenever I encounter it.

      I miss many things about Korea and if you looked in my fridge you would think if belonged to a Korean. I have kimchi, kochojang, etc.

      I will return someday to Korea to visit my friends. I hope as you say, that thinks have softened somewhat to foreigners.

      Thanks for your commment.
      Ann

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    42. If I were to wager a guess at why, I’d say that users don’t “browse” forms. The interaction style users engage in with forms is different, and requires its own study and design best practices. This is a very interesting post, and the comments are also fantastic to read. I’ll have poses to have a little re-think about my own contact form on our new website, as this some interesting questions!
      sketch overseas

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    43. Hello, after a day since I read your post I decided to reply despite the fact that this is a very old post. In fact, there is nothing old about it. Things in Korea remain the same no matter the year.

      I'm a 27 year old student from Europe and I'm currently residing in Korea since 2.2007. During these 3 years (and more) I have changed and I have been changing frequently in order to survive day by day.
      When I came here and for the first year or two everything seemed so "nice" and "friendly". I was so full of energy and enthusiasm. Now I cant express my opinion because it is dangerous. That is why I will use code "another Foreigner" instead of my real name. As the time passed by, I realized more and more that I was in denial about true picture in Korea almost like a junkie. I simply wanted to see good things like some people who replied above no matter what. Of course I had a good reason. This is the most important time in my life because it is like a crossroad in my career and life. Everything in the future will depend from my performance on university and therefore I pushed myself to be very optimistic about Korea. But the deeper I went into the structure of Korean society, the more depressed I was.
      It is very hard to understand the core of the problems in Korea simply because there are so many different forms of behavior that are connected to different factors. I know a person from my own country in Europe who has a completely different picture of Korean life and culture simply because he is married to a Korean woman. I knew a professor from London who had 100% positive opinion about Korea in every way simply because he was a full time professor. University arranged everything for him and his only problem for 6 years of living in Korea was how to spend his time and money. He never learned a word of Korean simply because he had no reason to do it. Why would he?
      I met another world renown designer from Europe who was a guest professor on my University....One day he told me: "(my name), get your degree and leave!"

      Before I say anything further, I want you to understand that i always had a "great" time here in Korea, in restaurants, movies, on the street, in school... I never encountered a Korean person who wasnt nice to me. But it was and it will always be just a mask, just another hypocrite form in the sea of unlimited forms of behavior. You see, in Korea everything is a form. There is a form about how to drink, how to like something, how to live, what to like, how to do things...and so on...The purpose of these forms is very practical or should I say "robotical". In Europe people can get together and drink one single drink for a couple of hours. But in Korea the only purpose of drinking is to get drunk. I have experienced several times a situation in which a young girl, a fellow student of mine asked me why do I look so normal after so many drinks???? Obviously, if you drink, you should get drunk because only at that time Korean people can relax and finally push away all those strings and forms. If you are not drunk, it means that you feel uncomfortable and you dont want to be a part of the group. Im talking as a male foreigner, It is different for females.
      end of first part

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    44. Second part:

      My worst experience in Korea:
      One night, when I was about to leave the restaurant, I stepped forward to hug one of the girls who was very nice to me and whom I talked to all that night. Another girl rushed in between us and physically pushed me away! Both girls were an exchange students in Canada and the I tried to hug lived in Canada for 8 years. So they both knew what hug means and what was I going to do. It was the worst thing that happened to me in my life. I couldnt sleep that night because I was so in shock. I simply couldnt believe something like that happened to me...in Korea...in 2009. And that night, another student on PhD course (over 30 years old), a "friend" of mine, followed me to the taxi and he was trying to explain how any kind of skinship - patting is not a part of Korean culture. Which is absolutely a lie because everyone in Korea can see even on public TV how people are touching each other in various situations.

      Foreigners in Korea stick together and Koreans stick together too. The mix and interaction between these two groups mostly happens in Itaewon and Hongdae. Itaewon for those of you who dont know, is a district in Seoul which as they say has more foreign than domestic residents. Hongdae is the most popular area between youngsters and foreigners to go clubbing and for fun.

      A very "good friend" of mine, Korean girl who lived in Canada for 10 years, answered on one of my questions that she never dated a Canadian just because he (her future boyfriend) has to be Korean.

      Since I came to Korea I had a part time jobs in several Hakwons as an English tutor for elementary students. During my staying of 3 years I have never seen a child or a person knocking on a door before entering. In the same connotation, I have never seen a person using a doorknob to close the door. they just shut them by hand. Korean children mostly say "hi" only when an adult tells them to do so. almost no one understands the word "good afternoon" and "good day". Two most common English words in Korean vocabulary are "hi" and "OK".

      I have a Korean girlfriend for more than a year. And she still cant say to her parents that I am fer boyfriend. she is afraid because it might be a shame to the family if her boyfriend does not meet some basic criteria like having a job and speaking Korean.

      I dont need to prove myself to anyone especially not to Korean people. they all forgot the history and unfortunately history didnt tech them anything. Now they think of themselves as a superior race just because they earned some money in the past 20-30 years. But the truth is that THEY have THEIR country just because foreigners let them have it. Im talking about U.S army who liberated S.Korea from Communism from N.Korea which almost totally conquered them. Im talking about knowledge that came from foreign countries. The only real, true Korean things in Korea are Korean alphabet and Kim-chi. Everything else is either Chinese (culture and tradition), Japanese (style and behavior) or from America (business and education). Of course no child in Korea knows about Korean war and what foreigners did for them so they could say "our country Korea".

      Sometimes I really wish that U.S wasnt involved in Korean war so that South Koreans could ************** like their northern "brothers". Im sorry for saying this but im really sick of this S. Korean ignorance and arrogance toward foreigners. As I said, I dont need to prove myself to anyone, especially not to Koreans.
      Sometimes, i feel sorry for myself because I chose to come here and spend my time and my brain with people who dont appreciate anything more than kim-chi and who absolutely dont appreaciate me and my efforts.

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    45. Dear Another Foreigner,

      Obviously, you are unhappy. If you could, I suggest you take a distance from all this and breathe a little, have a little fun somewhere, make yourself happy. Too much of anything, even another culture than your own, is sometimes draining and you may need to balance things out. Then, you can come back to your situation and see whether it appears more pleasant and humerous to you or if you need to make some necessary changes for your own happiness....

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    46. I'm sorry, while life here as a Foreigner is maybe not as easy as in Canada or in the US, I think you are exaggerating.
      For example I could get a cell phone (yes, a usual account) as soon as I got my ARC and my bank account. In my bank they even made up an alien registration number for me, because I didn't have mine yet when I opened the bank account. I don't know how you manage not to get a cell phone in 3 years: Walk in a shop, select your model and they will set you up a contract. So easy.

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    47. Spoken like someone who lives in Seoul and has never left Itaewon. You have a lot to learn.

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    48. Queen For A Year: I understand your bad experiences, as I initially felt similar things myself. Your comment you made n Jan. 25th 2010 was warming though, because now I think you're trying to immerse yourself more in Korean culture and the larger concept of understanding and tolerating each other internationally.

      And this is the problem for a lot of the people who commented here - they are not willing enough to look into the depths of a culture and are too easily repelled by something which doesn't fit into the comfortable, structured 'way' they have in their own country. I even sensed a sort of arrogance in some comments, as though some of you are too proud to accept that not everything is going to go your way, or that you shouldn't have to learn Korean or appreciate Korean culture because you're white.

      The European student who commented here seems to be very frustrated with what he experienced in Korea, but you cannot seriously believe that any country deserves to suffer under regimes and/or colonialism (i.e. your wish that the USA were not involved in the Korean War). You mentioned that Korea only has kimchi/김치 and the Korean alphabet/한글 to call its own, but even that were true (and it isn't!), what do you expect? Korea was invaded and colonised and told what to do by so many other countries and external people, and for such a long period of time. Do you really expect them to come running into the arms of any old foreigner? There needs to be some sort of sensitivity to Korea's history which is, as with any other country, so instrumental in shaping the culture of a people.

      Just think of the intense levels of effort Koreans go to to please the western world - learning English much more diligently (and sometimes hopelessly due to rubbish native English 'teachers') than I've seen any person in my own country commit to; recruiting practically any native English teacher on the mere basis that he or she's white and has a degree; accommodating the needs of globalisation and showing extraordinary levels of hospitality...and still some foreigners in Korea expect more than that? Too many - especially white - individuals in Korea are still thinking as the archetypal 'white man' and poorly understand the Korean people.

      These peoples' time would be much better spent and enjoyed if they let go of their western 'way', SERIOUSLY commit to the language and cultural study, and no longer constantly search for some over-the-top injustice (like being unable to shop online) to make themselves feel superior. We seem to forget that South Korea took an incredible economic leap that left little room for democratic development, and Korea has relatively had much less time and experience with foreigners at this level.

      Some people need to drop their pretentiousness and open their minds. The notion that Koreans are 'racist' almost makes me laugh. Of course there are cases as in any other country, but compared to how Koreans and many others of Asian descent are treat, this is nothing but being unnecessarily picky and shamefully ignorant.

      Like the woman-turned-Geisha mentioned in an earlier comment, nothing worth having comes easily. It takes time, hardship and patience. Don't expect everything and everyone to bow down to you unconditionally.

      I disagree with the earlier comment - you DO have to prove yourself. Prove you're not what you think they seem to dislike much.

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    49. Hi everyone: I am amazed how many people still read and comment on this post. For me so much has changed since I wrote it. As careful as I was to try and document my sources at the time it still was written from my experinces and point of view at that time.

      I don't edit people's comments as I feel that silence is not helpful for anyone and knowing that they are not alone in their experiences is important.

      As for myself, since March 2007 I have lived back in my hometown in Canada where I am very involved in the local Multicultural Association and where I have been able to build bridges with people from other cultures (including a number of Koreans). My experiences (although painful at the time) have made me a much more empathic person who is able to reach out and embrace people from other cultures. I hope that my readers who have had negatives experiences (as I sometimes/often did in Korea) are able to move beyond them but it takes time and sometimes distance and reflection to do so.

      I wish everyone peace and understanding.
      Ann

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    50. I noticed that someone posted a thing about how Mrs.Lee and other Koreans got far up in Canada, but the same possibilities wouldn't be opened towards a Canadian in Korea.

      South Korea and Canada are very different country. Canada is filled with people from all over the world. Korea is one race, one ethnic culture. Also the number of Koreans in Canada and number of Canadians in Korea are another thing to think about. And as far as I'm concerned, it is not possible for a foreigner to obtain a citizenship in Korea.

      Although many people posted this already, your cell-phone problems and websites denying your ARC merely seems to be due to the lack of clear guidelines to foreigners. Also it is due to the other foreigners misusing this previlages in the first place, in which case is definitely not your fault.

      And to the poster who said Korea is ignorant about countries outside of Korea, how many Americans/Canadians/or foreigners do you think knows about Korea?
      Many foreigners I've met/seen in Korea have said they knew absolutely nothing of Korea. They thought Korea was a third world country and that everybody eats dogs.

      In the book, "Sisterhood of traveling pants" the author says she would never take her dog to Korea. This kid of ignorance is existent in every country.

      In Korea, foreign languages and foreign history are MANDATORY course in school. Koreans much more knowledged about countries outside of Korea than most. That doesn't mean they know what their customs are or have actually seen one in real life.

      Staring and whispering doesn't mean they are racist. It's a culture shock, but it's not impolite to stare at someone. They simply are shocked and amazed to see a foreigner.
      You have to realize that Korea had close to no foreigners living until few years ago. It's hard for a country to adapt to foreigners and give proper foreign services if they lack any information on what foreigners might think Korea lacks.


      I live in Canada and I can honestly say true racism is clearly more existent here than Korea or at least what I consider to be the TRUE racism.

      We can all agree that there are MANY negative streotypes against Asians. I can't seem to find any for non-asian foreigners in Korea.

      Throughout my time that I lived in Canada, I've heard kids calling me chink much more than I needed to.
      Also I've heard people tell me to go back to my own country although I've spent half of my life in Canada and am a Canadian citizen.

      Refusal for services are not meant to discriminate anybody, but are due to the lack of foreign services. And it isn't because we don't value foreigners or think they are less than us. It is because we didn't know and are not aware of it. It is because we only see very FEW foreigners in Korea.

      Also someone mentioned about Korean history.
      It is true that foreigners invaded Korea, but that's from long time ago. The generation now don't think about that.
      But generation now thinks about two grade 9 Korean girls being ran over by American tank and their brains spilled all over the road. They think about the fact that Americans didn't get any punishment, let alone an apology to their family.
      Or the fact American soldiers spray-painted on a mountain in Korea for fun.

      I'm not trying to say discrimination doesn't exist in Korea, it does. Cab drivers will take longer routes. But that's same for any other Koreans who are not from that area.
      I live in Busan at the moment and due to the lack of my Busan-dialect, cab drivers rip me off. But honestly, for someone who's been told to go eat a dog, this is a joke.

      I hear stories of foreign students in Korean schools being bullied. It's unfortunate and I'm ashamed of it. But the same kind of things happen in U.S. and Canada to asian students. Guess racism really exists everywhere

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    51. @Another Foreigner
      You seriously need to wake up son.

      First of all a guy hugging a drunk girl seems inappropriate EVERYWHERE. And skinship is something that you won't understand for a while. There are phases that allow you to touch, hold hands, and hug.

      When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
      It seems like you want to keep your old life style and your views. Also you think it is a global manner to knock on your door.
      Get real, you won't get to live the way you do in other countries, like how other people will adapt and conform when living in U.S. or Canada.

      And I'm beginning to be very skeptical that you actually lived in Korea because the world "good morning" and "good afternoon" doesn't exist in Korean vocabulary. They use Ahn nyoung ha sae yo for all greetings regardless of the time.

      And you say kids don't say it unless told to by an adult? You've got to be kidding. The respect for elders is well above any other countries.

      And kids don't know about the Korean War?
      I'm sorry but you seem to be the one ignorant here. Korean history is a mandatory course in all schools and the history course covers back into the dynasty period.

      And our culture is from China?
      That is like comparing everybody's origin to Africa.
      Our culture is ours. You know nothing.
      And our style is from Japan?
      Tell me why our artists are so popular among all of the Asia? Why our pop stars and new trends are copied everywhere?
      Why is Korea constantly the top 5 of the most innovative country?

      And our technology is copied from elsewhere?
      Yes, Korea copied the basic technology, 5 generations ago. Now Korea leads the IT area. Try reading a little. Korean biological technology is light years ahead of ANY countries.
      We are the ONLY country to clone a dog.

      Our I.T. industry is non-matched. Samsung is the leading electronic company with many SOLE monopolies.

      As your sick of us, I'm sick of these ignorant, arrogant foreigners who refuse to conform and change their lifestyle and customs to match Korea's, when living in Korea. You make it seem like it's OUR fault that our customs are so different. When in fact you're in OUR country and should change to OUR customs like how WE change when we immigrate to other countries.

      Have a good day and comeback to Korea when you're more mature and open-minded.

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    52. Hmmm.....It seems there is a major misunderstanding here between people and their experiences in Korea. It is hard after all to communicate by "words" since they represent different "symbols" for each and everyone of us.

      One could learn much from reading this blog. Clearly there are many different places, things, people...in Korea like in every country with more or less diversity. We all know that Korea is rushing forward to open itself in every way, offer and accept the world and from the world. But the way of doing it is still frustrating for some of us or for most of us foreigners who live in Korea depending from the position, profession, cultural background ...whatever. No one should argue that. Otherwise, this will turn into a never ending race of words with no point.

      I still find that some foreigners (I'm saying "some" because I really don't know many foreigners here) didnt learned anything about Korea simply because of their independence. They are independent by the means of activity they are doing, which acts like a "filter" and therefore it makes them very hard to experience "true" Korean culture. I mentioned in previous post about a Professor from London who never learned a word in Korean in 5 years because he had no reason to learn. For him, life in Korea was as good as it was back in UK. We learned from posts above and from many other resources that there are countless examples of foreigners living their lives in prosperity and in agony. All these examples should teach us that we can achieve everything we want with a strong/er attitude and good will. I understand that on this blog we are just expressing our experiences.

      As you may notice, I'm using a lot of quotes because I have no idea what feeling or a thought will word "culture" trigger in your mind.

      You haven't seen and experienced Korea or the world from my eyes as much as I haven't from yours; so it is really really hard to say anything without actually "hurting" someone's feelings. I wanted to reply on many posts I found "interesting", but I'm not exactly sure about those people really tried to express so I will just end it here.

      I was the one who wrote in my previous post that US Army shouldn't have been involved in Korean war. It was a horrible thing to say as mush as war itself, and I apologize to everyone, Koreans and non-Koreans.

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      1. I'm sorry other countries got involved in the Korean war too. Because if the other countries would have stayed away from the Korean peninsula the Korean peninsula would be one now. And now we would only have to deal with one country, North Korea.

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    53. I am a half "white", half Maliseet Canadian male and believe me, I know about discrimination. I am neither "white", or Maliseet.

      What I witnessed over the ten years I spent in Korea shocked the hell out of me. Discrimination is far worse in Korea than Canada.

      If you want to know how racist Korea really is, ask a mixed race Korean, born and raised in Korea.

      That will tell you how racist Koreans really are.

      Would Hines Ward have been famous had he been born and raised in Korea? How about Tiger Woods?

      Compare other mixed race celebrites born and raised in other countries to those in Korea. Yeah, there are racial problems everywhere, but many Koreans also run around calling people who aren't Korean barbarians.

      Koreans: Stop using your history as an excuse for racism. You Koreans have nothing to complain about, especially when you compare your situation and history to those of the First Nations peoples in North America and others like us from around the world.

      Again, if you want to know about racism in Korea, ask a born and raised in Korea mixed race Korean about it all.

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    54. better ask a bloody coloured guy......!!!

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    55. mm.. i read some of the post.. think so i am living here and experiencing what you have stated. i traveled in other countries. You are right if you are colored and not beautiful or pleasing into their eyes..be careful. They gossip you in every corner you go.If not because of my kids, my mix blooded kids I will leave korea. Still, I become humble and strong. Time will pass and the open-minded young generations of Korea will be the next in line. That is the time you visit Korea.

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    56. I just read your post, and it's true there is quite abit of discrimination in korea. I am a romanian canadian and have been living here (korea) for a while, but as long as your a nice and pleasant person, people generally are pretty nice back. There's always going to be rude people ( i do speak, read, write, etc..korean, so i do know what poeple are saying even if it's about me).
      Although ive seen it, ive never really experienced the discrimination.
      But i've noticed that the discrimination isn't just to foreigners but its also based alot on physical ideals.. as a person i'm pretty short and skinny- even by korean standards , and i've been allowed into koreans- only clubs and pretty much anywhere else, while other people i have been with, who were a perhaps a bit chubbier than I were not allowed in- they literally said no foreigners allowed right in front of me , as they let me in and tried to keep them out. Korea doeas really have a thing for physical beauty- and i have seen that discrimination alot more than just for the plain fact that one is a foreigner. But it has been a while since this post was written, and i really do hope things have gotten better for you- if your still there...

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    57. I stumbled onto this blog by simply typing in "Foreigners in Korea" in the Google search bar. I have read all of the above comments and here is what I want to tell all the people who are hating.

      YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE LITTLE BITCHES! STRAIGHT UP! And I mean that in the nicest way possible lol

      I mean, what do you expect when traveling to the most homogeneous nation in the world? Some of the discrimination you guys pointed out are tedious compared to all the discrimination in the US and Canada. When you guys were in Korea, did any of you ever feel threatened or any form of danger? Probably not. Did any of the Koreans go up to your face and openly throw racial slurs at you? Probably not. But here in America, Asians face discrimination throughout their whole life! That's a guarantee. Whether we're born here or not, we take that shit and run with it. We don't complain about it because no one cares! In America, Asians are considered ugly and weak, so we work hard and do our best to represent America and our culture. People who travel to Korea need to grow some thicker skin. And I say all of this as an Asian-American born and raised in Philadelphia. USA baby! Fly Eagles Fly!

      Also, I respect all of you who are willing to travel and learn any culture. You honor me by traveling to a country that this Korean has never been to :P But that doesn't mean I don't understand Koreans.

      When in Rome, do as the Romans do and grow some fucking cojones! It's not that bad.

      To Ms. Queen For A Day:

      I've been to Vancouver, and Canadians are some of the nicest people on Earth. My time in Canada was awesome! Vancouver is weed heaven!

      p.s.
      I like what the Black American typed LOOOL! You rock!

      In the words of Rush Limbaugh: "Ching chong ching chong chong ching chee bababababa!" =D Dude is racist!

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    58. I've been living in Korea for five years. I call bullshit on a lot of what you wrote. Yes, I have been denied entrance to nightclubs. I do have a Korean credit card, iphone with a two year contract, a three year contract for my internet and satellite. I use many Korean sites and have rarely had a problem using my ARC number. Maybe you aren't as familiar with the country as you'd like to think.

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    59. Dear Anoyymous:
      Did you read the documentation that I included? They weren't all my experiences. Moreover, I was careful to include links to other sources including an article from the Korean Herald.

      I suggest you go back and read "Cat's Struggle to Get a Cell Phone Account" the link to that is provided in my post. That was written by an American woman in July 2006.

      Perhaps, things have changed (I left Korea in March 2007) but if so then it's foreigners like Cat and myself that you should be thanking not "bashing"

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    60. Some of the people who commented seem to think that because things were easy for them - for example to open a bank account or get a cell phone that they are that easy for everyone EVERYWHERE in Korea.

      Of course, if you live in a big city with many foreigners then maybe they have gone before you and "paved the way" so to speak. However, if you are in a small town or the only foreigner in your part of the city things can be much more difficult.

      It's not respect to think that EVERYONE's experience is the same. If you had no problem then by all means express that fact but it's wrong to call other people liars because they had a different and/or difficult experience.

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    61. Just my opinion but I wouldn't necessarily call this discrimination? I was expecting something entirely different from the title of the article... while I agree that it sounds like a huge pain in the ass to get some things accomplished financially, I don't think it's right to call it discrimination. Also, while you may have lived in Korea a few years... it takes many, many years of hardcore studying to understand the nuances of the language. So it can take a good ten years to become fluent... so i'm not quite convinced that what you were hearing was discrimination? Unless you took what was said and asked a Korean if it was for sure something meant to be negative?

      I just... I dunno, I know several black people that have lived in Korea for years with barely any problems so i'm surprised a white person feels the the way you do. I have heard that it can help if you're someone that is very strong and secure in themselves because you will be looked at often... there is more scrutiny on you and Koreans can be very open in stating what they think. I know one young girl was in one of those spas, naked with all the rest of the women and as she went to start dressing some older women(ahjumma's? spelling?) commented on her pretty underwear, how pretty she is and what a nice body she has... even though she's very pretty, it can be a bit daunting to be naked and have a bunch of women staring and commenting on your body lol. At the same time, how nice that Koreans are commenting on how pretty a young, black girl is...? She lives in a fairly rural area too...

      Being turned away at a club... okay I can kind of see that as negative but clubs here in the states turn away people for other reasons too (sometimes just based on how they look). Certain clubs want a certain kind of crowd... and maybe some clubs have had problems with foreigners.

      Everyone's experience is different over there, but I guess even you do feel some discrimination... there's a reason Korea's nickname is "the hermit nation", it'll take a long time for them to get used to foreigners. Hell, people aren't even used to foreigners over here still...! I hear discrimination all the time from people I work with.

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    62. Your blog looks like an interesting one, although this is the first (fairly old) post I've read. I wonder how much things have changed since then. For example, I won't be in Korea for another 6 weeks, and yet I already have a Nateon account in my name.

      I don't doubt that there is some discrimination in Korea, and to be completely honest, more of the foreigners I've experienced living overseas via online forums and blogs than not have made me really embarrassed to also be a foreigner because they seem to confirm a lot of the negative stereotypes about us. Thus far you are not one of those people, but I am really shocked by how many people seem to regard Korea as a place of unreality and a place where it is okay to lack social responsibility. It bothers me, and I can't say I blame some of the locals for being prejudice under the circumstances.

      You discussed the Korean social ID number a lot in your post, and I am aware of the differences in numbers, but my guess is that you aren't aware (or weren't at the time of this posting) that even if the automated systems deny access to various services, you CAN still be granted to them if you're willing to communicate with the various companies directly and provide identification. That is how I got my Nateon ID.

      Anyway, I hope that things are better for you now than they were in 2006.

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    63. Hello, I have recently started a blog about my experiences in Korea, through the eyes of a foreigner: Aussie in Korea http://aussieinkorea.blogspot.com/

      Some of your followers may be interested in my content, I would appreciate if you would let them know, thanks!

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    64. Happy to pass the link along. Nice sight. Enjoy Korea.

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    65. 75 percent of the korean population thinks that Korea is the only world living with technology. I bought new smart phone last year and within six months i have to repair for five times, so i asked to replace with new one but they continue to ignore me as they don't understand what i am asking for. They replaced some parts with the old staff and didn't work properly. I am going tomorrow for repairing again.

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